Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

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⁠Energy Shocks, Inflation & Risk: How a Central Bank Responds to Crisis | Ep252: Pierre Wunsch
April 8, 2026

⁠Energy Shocks, Inflation & Risk: How a Central Bank Responds to Cris…

How should a central bank respond to energy shocks? Will high oil and gas prices bolster the uptake of renewables? And what is the true cost of net zero 2050? This week on Cleaning Up, host Michael Liebreich sits down with Pi...

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Can We Cool The Planet, And Should We Try? | Ep251: Ricken Patel
April 1, 2026

Can We Cool The Planet, And Should We Try? | Ep251: Ricken Patel

What happens if we’re underestimating the speed and scale of climate risk? This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with Ricken Patel, Principal at Climate Hub & Founder of activist network Avaaz, to explore how...

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Heavy Engineering Solutions for High-Emission Problems | Ep250: Emmanouil Kakaras
March 25, 2026

Heavy Engineering Solutions for High-Emission Problems | Ep250: Emman…

This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich is joined by Emmanouil Kakaras, engineer, academic, and Senior Advisor at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries EMEA, for a grounded, technical conversation about the intersection of emission...

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Can We Stop Data Centres Breaking The Grid? Ep249: Varun Sivaram & Steve Smith
March 19, 2026

Can We Stop Data Centres Breaking The Grid? Ep249: Varun Sivaram & St…

This week on Cleaning Up , host Michael Liebreich sits down with Varun Sivaram and Steve Smith to explore one of the most urgent, and overlooked, challenges of the AI revolution: how to power it without breaking the grid. As ...

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Are Fossil Fuel Cars About to Have Their Kodak Moment? Ep248: Fiona Howarth
March 11, 2026

Are Fossil Fuel Cars About to Have Their Kodak Moment? Ep248: Fiona H…

What happens when millions of electric cars become part of the energy grid? And could the key to cheaper, cleaner power already be sitting in your driveway? And why are so many automakers pushing back against EV targets? This...

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Iran Will Reshape Oil, Gas & Clean Energy For Years To Come | Bryony Worthington & Michael Liebreich
March 6, 2026

Iran Will Reshape Oil, Gas & Clean Energy For Years To Come | Bryony …

Bryony Worthington and Michael Liebreich give their analysis of the impact of the conflict in Iran on global energy markets. How will it impact the Middle East, Europe, Asia, the US, and will it force countries back to coal, ...

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⁠⁠How To Build Quickly In An Era of Fossil Fuel Shocks | Ep247: Hilde Tonne
March 4, 2026

⁠⁠How To Build Quickly In An Era of Fossil Fuel Shocks | Ep247: Hilde…

How can we build out clean energy and infrastructure faster? Is Europe engineering its way to resilience, or pricing itself out of competitiveness? And can we redesign the entire system fast enough to keep up with AI, electri...

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The Audacious Plan To Build a Transatlantic Electricity Cable | Ep246: Laurent Segalen
Feb. 25, 2026

The Audacious Plan To Build a Transatlantic Electricity Cable | Ep246…

This week on Cleaning Up, host Bryony Worthington sits down with investor and energy strategist Laurent Segalen, co-host of the Redefining Energy podcast, for a sweeping conversation that spans carbon markets, uranium trading...

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Why Renewables Are Booming Despite the Politics | Ep245: Miguel Stilwell d'Andrade
Feb. 18, 2026

Why Renewables Are Booming Despite the Politics | Ep245: Miguel Stilw…

This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with Miguel Stilwell d’Andrade, CEO of EDP, one of the world’s leading clean energy companies. From the front lines of the energy transition, Miguel explains why electrici...

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The Billion-Tonne Promise of Carbon Dioxide Removal Isn't Working Out | Ep244: Robert Höglund
Feb. 11, 2026

The Billion-Tonne Promise of Carbon Dioxide Removal Isn't Working Out…

This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with carbon removal insider Robert Höglund, CEO of Marginal Carbon, co-founder of CDR.fyi and architect of MilkyWire’s Climate Transformation Fund, for a deep dive into wh...

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The World Decides: Clean Energy or Oil & Gas? | Ep243: Damilola Ogunbiyi
Feb. 4, 2026

The World Decides: Clean Energy or Oil & Gas? | Ep243: Damilola Ogunb…

What if the future of clean energy isn’t decided in Washington, Brussels, or Beijing, but in Lagos, Nairobi, and Addis Ababa? Are we underestimating how fast the Global South is leapfrogging fossil fuels? And what happens whe...

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The State of the Climate 2026 | Ep242: Zeke Hausfather
Jan. 28, 2026

The State of the Climate 2026 | Ep242: Zeke Hausfather

How do we model the climate system? How warm will 2026 be? And can geoengineering be anything more than a bandaid? This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with leading climate scientist Dr. Zeke Hausfather on t...

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⁠Is Africa Poised To Be A Clean Energy Powerhouse? Ep241: Clemens Calice
Jan. 21, 2026

⁠Is Africa Poised To Be A Clean Energy Powerhouse? Ep241: Clemens Cal…

Why does Africa, home to 18% of the world’s population, receive just 1% of global energy investment? What’s stopping money from flowing to the continent when it has such good wind and solar potential? And what would it take t...

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Climate Action vs Cost of Living: Can We Do Both? | Ep240: Katie White, UK Climate Minister
Jan. 14, 2026

Climate Action vs Cost of Living: Can We Do Both? | Ep240: Katie Whit…

How do we build a clean energy system while bringing UK bills down? Can the UK’s landmark Climate Change Act stand up to a fractured climate politics? And does increasing global instability make home-grown energy more importa...

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Why Is The US So Obsessed With Venezuelan Oil? Ep239: Michael Liebreich & Bryony Worthington
Jan. 7, 2026

Why Is The US So Obsessed With Venezuelan Oil? Ep239: Michael Liebrei…

Is the link between oil and geopolitics starting to diminish? Has climate consensus fractured just as clean energy hits escape velocity? And are batteries, not barrels, becoming the true source of power and security? In the f...

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Cleaning Up Redux: Canada's Controversial Queen of Green — Tzeporah Berman
Dec. 31, 2025

Cleaning Up Redux: Canada's Controversial Queen of Green — Tzeporah B…

This episode was originally broadcast in June 2023, watch the episode on YouTube here . Cleaning Up will return with new episodes January 7th, 2026. Tzeporah Berman has been leading environmental campaigns in her native Canad...

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Cleaning Up Redux: Hot Rocks in a Box — Anand Gopal
Dec. 24, 2025

Cleaning Up Redux: Hot Rocks in a Box — Anand Gopal

This episode was originally broadcast in June 2024. As the world transitions away from fossil fuels, one of the biggest challenges is decarbonizing industrial processes that require consistent, reliable sources of energy to p...

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Technology Rich, Politically Poor: How 2025 Reshaped The Energy Transition | Ep238: Adair Turner
Dec. 17, 2025

Technology Rich, Politically Poor: How 2025 Reshaped The Energy Trans…

What will be the long-term impact of the US’s great leap backward on clean energy? How will the emergency of China as an electrotech giant reshape geopolitics? And what will be the defining trends and technologies of 2026? In...

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Honey, I Shrunk the Oil And Gas Sector | Ep237: Lord John Browne
Dec. 10, 2025

Honey, I Shrunk the Oil And Gas Sector | Ep237: Lord John Browne

What happens when clean energy starts to outgrow fossil fuels at scale? Is it right to call China an electrostate? And how long will we be reliant on hydrocarbons? This week on Cleaning Up, host Michael Liebreich sits down wi...

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Demand Destruction & Oversupply: How Gas Prices Are Reshaping The World | Ep236: Seb Kennedy
Dec. 3, 2025

Demand Destruction & Oversupply: How Gas Prices Are Reshaping The Wor…

What happens when a nation’s energy security rests on volatile global gas markets? Why does the UK pay market prices for some of the world’s cheapest-to-produce gas? And is now the moment to rethink decades of “leave it to th...

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Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: Robert Dunn
Nov. 26, 2025

Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: …

What does it take to build Europe’s largest and most sustainable data-centre campus, from an empty plot of land to a 1.2-gigawatt giant of AI? How do you future-proof a facility when chip technology is evolving at breakneck s...

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California vs Trump In The Battle For Clean Air | Ep234: Liane Randolph
Nov. 19, 2025

California vs Trump In The Battle For Clean Air | Ep234: Liane Randol…

What happens when the world’s most ambitious climate state runs head-on into a hostile federal government? Can California still lead the clean-energy transition while battling rising costs, wildfires and the Trump government’...

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⁠The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyerjürgens
Nov. 12, 2025

⁠The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyer…

What does it take to future-proof Europe’s electricity grid? How do you finance €65 billion in infrastructure without driving up consumer electricity costs? And can the permitting process be sped up to become fast enough for ...

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Why There'll Never Be A Hydrogen Economy | Ep232: Erik Rakhou
Nov. 5, 2025

Why There'll Never Be A Hydrogen Economy | Ep232: Erik Rakhou

Is green hydrogen a ‘miracle fuel’ or an expensive illusion? Can we decarbonize without it? And what happens when hydrogen hype meets hard economics? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich debates Erik Rakhou, author of ...

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