Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

Episodes

Oct. 15, 2025

How To Move Away From Fossil Fuels Faster — Bryony Grills Michael on …

This summer, Michael Liebreich wrote two essays under the title of the Pragmatic Climate Reset. The first challenged the idea that the clean energy transition has failed. And the second challenged the clean energy and climate...

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Oct. 8, 2025

The £60 Billion Plan To Rewire Britain | Ep227: John Pettigrew

What does it take to rewire a nation’s energy system? Can we make the grid cleaner, smarter, and more resilient — without driving up bills? And how will the explosion of AI data centres reshape the future of electricity deman...

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Oct. 1, 2025

Will India and China Join Forces To Get Off Fossil Fuels? Ep226: Dr A…

What does it take for India to deliver electricity to hundreds of millions while simultaneously building a fast-growing clean energy system? Can it overcome its fossil dependence to secure its energy futures with renewables? ...

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Sept. 24, 2025

Can We Save the Great Barrier Reef? | Ep225: Dr Katharina Fabricius

Why should we care about coral reefs? What happens when they collapse? And is there still hope for their survival? In this episode of Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with coral reef ecologist Dr. Katharina Fabricius...

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Sept. 22, 2025

Audioblog 16: The Pragmatic Climate Reset, Part II — A Provocation

The election of Donald Trump to a second term as President marked a turning point in the politics of climate action – not just in the US, but around the world. The airwaves are suddenly awash with commentators, claiming that ...

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Sept. 17, 2025

Less Doom, More Data: Debunking the Biggest Climate Myths | Ep223: Dr…

Is the future of clean energy and climate solutions brighter than we think? In this episode of Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich welcomes back Hannah Ritchie — Deputy Editor at Our World in Data, researcher at the Oxford Martin ...

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Sept. 10, 2025

Malcolm Turnbull: Clean Energy Culture Wars and The Race To Build Mor…

What happens when cheap solar flips the script on climate sceptics? Can pumped hydro really deliver the long-duration storage we need? And is “hope” a dangerous comforter in the race to net zero? In this season opener of Clea...

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Aug. 27, 2025

Cleaning Up Redux: A Magnificent Woman And Her Flying Machines - Bonn…

This episode was originally broadcast in February 2024 Bryony returns with Bonny Simi, President of Operations at Joby Aviation, where she's working on bringing to market a new civilian electric VTOL (eVTOL) aircraft. Prior t...

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Aug. 20, 2025

Cleaning Up Redux: From Free Solo to Free Solar — Alex Honnold

This episode was originally broadcast in April 2022 Alex Honnold is one of the world’s best rock climbers, famous for his free solo ascents of big walls, including his 2017 first free solo of El Capitan in Yosemite. Alex bega...

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Aug. 13, 2025

The End of Fossil Fuels Is Inevitable | Ep221: Michael Liebreich & Br…

What if the energy transition isn't a race, but a steady march toward the end of fossil fuel usage? Do we need to move more like the tortoise, and less like the hare? And in a world of competing narratives, who gets to define...

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Aug. 6, 2025

Audioblog 15: The Pragmatic Climate Reset Part 1 — The Energy Transit…

In February, veteran fossil industry advisor Dan Yergin and two co-authors published a piece called The Troubled Transition. In it they dismiss the idea that there is or can ever be an energy transition, anchored on the fact ...

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July 30, 2025

The Inflation Induction Act: How the US Lost The Race for Clean Energ…

Is the US about to enter a new era of energy inflation? Can technological progress outpace political regression? Are we witnessing the permanent end of America's climate ambitions? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich ...

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July 23, 2025

North Sea Oil & Gas Is Dying, What Comes Next? | Ep218: Tessa Khan

⁠If the UK can’t ditch fossil fuels, who can? What impact would more drilling in the North Sea have for UK energy prices? What does the end of the net zero consensus mean for UK energy policy? This week on Cleaning Up, host B...

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July 16, 2025

How Fungi Shape Our World, From Carbon Sinks to Zombie TV: | Ep217: …

What if the key to solving our climate crisis lies beneath our feet? Could tiny fungal networks be the unsung heroes of carbon sequestration? And how might reimagining our relationship with fungi transform our understanding o...

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July 10, 2025

The Best Markets for Wind and Solar Are Not Where You Think | Ep216: …

In a world where 17% of all electricity is generated from wind and solar and where 93% of all new capacity added to the grid is from renewables, it can be easy to forget that countries got their first wind and solar resources...

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July 2, 2025

NVIDIA Rising: Will The AI Boom Bust The Planet? | Ep215: Josh Parker

In 1849, when the Gold Rush hit California, the people who were certain to make money were not the miners, but the sellers of picks and shovels. Indeed, America's first millionaire, Samuel Brannan, made his fortune by adding ...

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June 25, 2025

Is There A Future Without Oil & Gas? Ep214: Ben van Beurden

Oil and gas companies lie at the heart of the energy transition. To some, they are heroes, continuing to power human progress despite all the odds. To some, they are villains, responsible for the climate change that is devast...

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June 18, 2025

Deforestation, Oil and Aviation Fuels: A Brazilian Take on the Climat…

What happens if the Amazon rainforest stops absorbing carbon and starts releasing it? Do we need geoengineering to help us cool an overheating planet? And how can developing countries balance environmental preservation with e...

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June 11, 2025

⁠Hydrogen Subsidies, Clean Power & Fixing Spain's Blackouts | Ep212: …

What will it take to finally wean Europe off Russian gas? Can renewables help with grid stability? And is the EU making a mistake subsidising hydrogen? This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with EU Energy and ...

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June 4, 2025

Renewables Are Here To Stay. Get Over It. | Ep211: Antonio Cammisecra

The world's electricity system is transforming: We're integrating more and more variable renewables. Fossil plants are running fewer hours. Demand is growing everywhere, including in the developed world, as we electrify trans...

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May 28, 2025

Is The Tide Turning On Hydrogen? Ep210: Andrew Forrest

Billionaire iron magnate Andrew Forrest believes he's on the cusp of a breakthrough to decarbonise shipping and heavy industry using hydrogen. As the Executive Chairman of the Fortescue, one of the world's largest iron ore co...

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May 21, 2025

Bond Vigilantes, Game Theory, And Why The US Shouldn’t Go It Alone - …

Have the bond markets become a new form of global governance? Are we witnessing the end of US economic exceptionalism? And how does game theory relate to cooperation on net-zero? This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington s...

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May 14, 2025

Can You Run a Grid Entirely On Renewables? Ep208: Anders Lindberg

Can You Run A Grid Without Fossil Fuels? "Yes," says Anders Lindberg, President of Energy and Executive VP at Wärtsilä, on this week's episode of Cleaning Up. It'll just cost €65 trillion extra by 2050. Anders' team at Wärtsi...

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May 7, 2025

Is Geothermal The Future For Oil & Gas? Ep207: Jamie Beard

Geothermal seems to have found new favour under Donald Trump's presidency, but can it ever live up to its potential? Will the oil and gas industry reinvent itself before becoming obsolete? And how might geothermal energy chan...

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